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[RUSH TRANSCRIPT BELOW] “China is surpassing American strength, whether it be naval forces or nuclear forces,” says retired U.S. Army Col. John Mills.

His four-decade career has spanned key roles from the Cold War era to the War on Terror. At the Department of Defense, he directed cybersecurity policy.

“I was brought into cyber in 2007 when the threat really was Russian cyber adventurism, but by 2012, from that point onward, it was all China—wasn’t even close,” he says. “For every dollar Russia spent on misadventure, China spent 20.”

In this episode, we dive into the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP’s) influence globally and how it has created what Mills calls a “world on fire.”

“All the playing pieces are kind of in place for [CCP leader Xi Jinping] to make his move around the world, to establish China as the dominant nation state, and everything else, all other nations, would be tributary vassal states, including the U.S.,” Mills says.

“They are absolutely advancing a relentless onslaught of information warfare, through their media, through their wolf warriors, to advance a Chinese communist message that just drowns out everything else.”

Views expressed in this video are opinions of the host and the guest, and do not necessarily reflect the views of NTD.

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Jan Jekielek:

Colonel John Mills, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders.

Jan, thank you. It’s such an honor to be on your show with you.

You’ve said that all or most regional conflicts in the world actually trace back to communist China. That’s a big statement.

Right now we live in a world on fire. We have multiple regional conflicts going on. When you start to break them down, every one of them traces to China, whether it’s the American home front and fentanyl, Antifa violence in the streets; it all traces to China, whether it’s Ukraine, the Middle East, the Americas, or Asia.

Now I also like to use the allegory here that in 1939, in the summer, if you asked a group of experts whether the world was in conflict in the summer of 1939, most would harumph and say, no, we have something going on in China, we have something going on in Ethiopia, in Spain, and the rise of militarism in Germany, but there’s not a world war going on.

Then in September, they changed their mind when the Germans crossed the border into Poland. But if you look at everything, the world was already on fire in the summer of 1939. So all of these things, we’re living in a very similar time here. There’s multiple regional conflicts. When you break down every one of them, everything traces to communist China and their focus and intent of dominating the world’s situation.

The book in 1999, “Unrestricted Warfare,” really was, I would say, in many ways, the tipping point and the articulation of the coordinated campaign of China to be the dominant world power through all measures, unrestricted warfare. Give me a few examples of how that manifests with this unrestricted warfare. I would say biological warfare is one of the basics, and that is an actual strategy that China has written. They call it the commanding heights of the showdown with America—biological warfare. You have to look at the Wuhan lab, the chaos created in 2020 by the release of the virus from the lab at Wuhan, and just the mass psychosis that China stoked and leveraged around the world, especially here in the United States.

Gordon Chang says that whether or not this was an intentional release, it’s the way it was used that weaponized it one way or the other.

Yes, I think that’s clear. I was involved in the Team B report that assessed and gave an alternative viewpoint to the virus. And, you know, in the early days, we were attacked, excoriated—anybody who questioned it. But what Gordon said is true: that regardless of whether it was intentional or accidental from the lab, it was absolutely leveraged and exploited. No question about it. That’s just one.

But there was massive theft of intellectual property, massive takedown of market sectors in America to essentially undermine through low price points, and steal intellectual property. And then take over the whole market sector, whether it be small consumer drones or whether it be textiles. That is the Chinese strategy. It’s also a buildup of military forces, which we’ve now seen. In many cases, China is surpassing American strength, whether it be naval forces or nuclear forces.

You mentioned something about price points, so basically dumping, for example, cornering the market in solar panels—that’s something a lot of people don’t realize that the Chinese Communist Party has effectively cornered that entire market. But originally through dumping into the U.S. market and basically having all the local producers of such things go out of business because they couldn’t compete. Why? Because it was part of their industrial policy. It was part of their national security agenda to do that because now they can leverage that against the United States and others.

Absolutely. And they had a lot of willful help from globalist-minded politicians inside the United States. You mentioned solar panels. It’s been shown that a lot of these solar panels are internet protocol enabled, meaning they’re points on the international network, on the worldwide network. Anything that is a worldwide point on the network can be used both ways.

It can be used for intelligence collection. It could be used for remote access. It can be used for remote operation in nefarious ways. So there’s nothing good that comes out of that. And absolutely the solar panel campaign, which also has rare earth metals, is absolutely a key component of China’s strategy. Get us dependent on those solar panels. Well, China builds coal plants at an unbelievable rate.

And on top of everything else, use massive U.S. subsidy money to do it.

Yes.

That is textbook unrestricted warfare.

It makes perfect sense. We’re funding their malign efforts.

Let’s talk just very briefly about these points of conflict, because that’s this world on fire. In many cases, it’s not clear. With these solar panels, it wasn’t clear that this was part of the fire. There doesn’t seem to be a fire there, but there actually is some kind of fire. Whereas, what about the actual conflict zones? Please give us an overview.

First of all, I break them down to the home front right here in America. Open borders. We had no idea who was coming across the border during the previous presidential administration. Many of them were Chinese special operators that immediately pivoted to what when they came in? Cannabis operations muscled in on legal cannabis cash-rich operations. Cash can’t be banked because of federal laws. All kinds of malfeasance can be done when you have a lot of cash floating around.

Fentanyl, over the last few years, absolutely 100% from China. Chinese formulary components are now assembled in Mexico by the cartels under the supervision of Chinese personnel. So right there is the home front. But you have to look at the Americas: the Chinese attempts to really gain control of the Panama Canal, but also Belt and Road initiatives to bag and curry favor throughout the Americas, including Mexico, Peru, Venezuela, and other places. So that’s the next front, but you got to look at Ukraine.

But there’s a specific relationship with Venezuela, where there is narco-terrorism.

You’ve got to look at Venezuela as the huge base camp in the Americas for China. It’s an ungoverned space. This is a huge footprint of Chinese operators, of Russian operators, of Iranian operators. This is their base camp for the Americas.

Before we go international, I just wanted to mention something. Something we’ve covered on the show quite a bit is this idea of the unholy trinity of very seemingly disparate groups working together on behalf of the CCP. So Chinese state security is one corner of that. Wealthy business tycoons are a piece of that. And then, of course, the triads or organized crime are a part of that. So with these three groups working together to achieve certain outcomes, this is best documented in Vancouver, how that was from the earliest parts of infiltration by the Chinese Communist Party in North America.

But you can imagine how much easier that becomes, for example, when you have triads working with Tren de Aragua as an example, right? Because there’s kind of a natural affinity to function there. But we just don’t think in terms of, this government is working with organized crime, is working with wealthy businessmen with a common goal in mind, with the Chinese Communist Party at the helm directing how this is going to go down.

Yes, absolutely. You mentioned Vancouver, which is a case study in forward influence operations by China. But what’s enabled that is there’s a high level of Chinese population, oftentimes connected with Hong Kong. But what was brought in from Hong Kong was also the big circle gang, essentially Chinese triads in Hong Kong, which established a big footprint in Vancouver. But it’s a high cash operation: you bring money to one side of the casino, buy some chips, cash them in, and walk out the other side. Now you’ve covered your tracks on money laundering. Did you know that all the casinos in Vancouver, BC, have lots and lots of Chinese triads hanging around there?

But real estate purchases are another great opportunity for money laundering, making purchases in cash, manipulating the value, pocketing the difference—all these kinds of things. This is another opportunity for money laundering. Coming down the I-5 corridor from Vancouver, British Columbia, to Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, and Los Angeles, spinning it through the casinos up in Washington State again to double launder it—all kinds of trickery goes on.

The other part with this, let’s call it immigration warfare that you were describing, or illegal immigration warfare or something like that. We’ve had, I don’t know, some pretty high estimates of how many military-age Chinese males have come across. How do we know that there’s Chinese special operators? Because that’s a very specific class, right, that is coming across in significant numbers.

I spent time in Panama with Michael Yon and Ann Vandersteel watching the Chinese activities. It’s just obvious in a lineup who is and who isn’t. Good teeth, flat stomach, muscular, military haircut. Now they also have an unemployment problem, but they also are gamifying and saying, hey, go, go, go forth and do great things. And this is one more way to take down America: immigration warfare, and with the double bonus prize of filtering, of sneaking in Chinese special operators to be the advance force.

Let’s start with an obvious conflict area that we’ve been looking at recently, and that is Iran, Israel, and all of these various proxy groups that Iran has been working with. Let’s start with that, because it seems like a number of them have actually been entirely removed.

Most people have a kind of a stereotype of the Middle East tensions and conflict. Oh, it’s Arab-Israeli, it’s this or that. That’s not what’s going on nowadays. It’s totally different. Everybody needs to totally reframe and update their viewpoints on what’s going on in the Middle East. I call it essentially the second part of the world on fire.

The first part was Ukraine, and we’ll visit that a little bit later, but with Iran. Iran would not exist today if it was not for Chinese illegal purchases of sanctioned gas and oil moved on ghost ships from Iran at below market rates priced in renminbi, so Iran is forced to spend all that renminbi right back in China buying consumer products. So this really is Iran as a client, a proxy state.

I call it the 3H club of Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, which are the proxies of a proxy. There’s not much left of the 3H club. It’s about the 0.25H club, mostly gone. Still, the issues there are really food, weaponization of food aid, but a new form of food distribution is being used, which cuts Hamas out of the weaponization angle. But there are also the remaining hostages. There are also the weapons that the remainder of Hamas uses to attack the Israelis.

But there’s also Hezbollah, but they’ve been mostly or severely decremented by the brilliant pager assault, but also very, very decisive moves by Israel to create a buffer zone in the south. The Houthis are still annoying, still a problem. They’ve been decremented also, degraded also through attacks by Israel and by the U.S.

But the Houthis wouldn’t have anything to fire if it weren’t for the flow of war material coming from Iran. And a lot of these rockets and missiles that are being used by Iran, essentially, they are Chinese design and/or Chinese made or made with Chinese tooling, and a lot of the war material that is made inside of Iran, again with Chinese tooling, is also exported to Russia. So Iran is a proxy and again would not exist—the viability of the three-headed regime in Iran, really led by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps [IRGC], would be broke if it weren’t for Chinese illegal purchases of gas and oil that are sanctioned and moved on ghost fleet ships.

Syria has also shifted from an Iran allegiance to, well, I think they’re in the process of trying to figure out what kind of relationship they’re going to have in the West, if that’s even possible, given the people that basically brought al-Sharaa to power. So I guess what I’m trying to say is that when it comes to Iran, it seems like that part of the world on fire has been reduced somewhat in the last while.

The Israelis have very effectively, although caught off guard with October 7th by Hamas, the Israelis have rallied and shown decisive what we call escalation dominance, and it’s just another technical term. They’ve schwacked Iran over and over and over again. So they’ve seriously degraded the—I can’t even keep track of who’s in charge of the IRGC. It changes so often because the Israeli strikes are extremely accurate and effective. Then you have the civilian president, then you have Supreme Ayatollah Khamenei. But the Israelis have shown decisive dominance.

What is of grave concern now is also this Chinese airlift. I kind of call it a mini Berlin airlift that is ongoing, where it appears China is bringing in new air defense because the air defense has been essentially wiped out by Israeli and American activity. And so that’s what’s going on. Air defense equipment is relatively light in the spectrum of what needs to be moved as far as war material.

The Chinese are flying in new S-300, S-400 launch units, missiles, and radars to provide new air defense. Grave concern: are they flying in possible nuclear warheads? I don’t know. I am sure the Israelis have excellent intelligence on this. They’ve shown time and again intelligence dominance. If that was the case, that the Chinese were flying in nukes, I think very likely some of those Chinese 747s would be shot down to send a message.

How is the CCP involved? You also mentioned Ukraine earlier.

The no-limits agreement with Russia and China was essentially finalized in the fall of 2021. And that was essentially an agreement with China and its proxy states, initially just Russia, but to essentially overturn the U.S.-led world system, which is primarily economic. The dollar is the reserve currency. But this was one thing often not understood about China and Russia. They look at the U.S. operation Desert Storm, which I was in in ’91 and ’92, as the perfect military operation, which they study relentlessly.

Ukraine was essentially supposed to be the Desert Storm for Russia. Tactically, the Russians may have momentum. It’s not totally clear on that. But now we’re in a new era where we’re going to give war material to Ukraine to help them resist. The president wants to bring peace and bring peace to this conflict, and so far Putin has not been cooperative.

But that is essentially the first major conflagration in the world, and Putin is an absolute proxy as he would not exist in power either for the same reasons: sanctioned gas and oil moved out of the Baltic on ghost ships over the Arctic to China. Totally both countries are absolutely dependent on Chinese purchases and frankly, those regimes would not be in power without the purchases by China of sanctioned gas and oil.

It’s interesting that the president actually, you know, I think quite prominently, we’re going to have allowed those shipments to resume from Iran to China.

I think in the geopolitical play there might be some reason to allow that. The president has been clear that we’re not seeking regime change. That’s not an American item of interest or on the agenda. But I think tactically that might make some sense to allow so that there is some cash flowing so that people do not starve. We did not inadvertently create a humanitarian crisis. But I think that can very easily be turned off and turned around once a relook is done at what exactly that funding is going to. If Iran is just rearming, I think that could very easily be shut off.

Give us a picture of how the Chinese Communist Party operates and how this would lead to this world-on-fire scenario that you’re describing.

There are many strategy documents and issuances from Chinese leaders, communist Chinese leaders, that their long-term interest is essentially establishing world dominance. It’s been very clear, but they haven’t been able to—they knew it was going to be a long march to establish world dominance. There were many factors that weren’t in place, but I think President Xi is feeling that the time is right to really essentially, in many ways, go to Chairman Mao’s third stage of conflict, which is an open conflict coming out of the guerrilla insurgency phases.

But they’ve established economic dominance in many ways as so many U.S. jobs were lost to China when globalists felt, well, what would be wrong with that? Well, everything. But now all the playing pieces are kind of in place for Xi to make his move around the world to establish China as the dominant nation-state and everything else, all other nations would be tributary vassal states, including the US.

How do they work? For example, you’ve highlighted the importance of political and information warfare in what this Chinese Communist Party does.

Unfortunately, the American art form on information warfare—some people would call it psychological operations, I think that’s a little bit too dramatic. But our art form on statecraft has really deteriorated dangerously. Why? It’s because of just the woke agenda. It’s totally poisoned the environment. The Americans are unable to tell their story. Unable—that’s the simple part of strategic communication and information warfare from the Democratic Republic is just telling our side of the story and capable of doing that because of the cancer of DEI, wokeism, and CRT. That’s being turned around by the Trump administration.

But you mean there’s this element of looking at the country negatively so you can’t tell the story positively because you don’t believe it yourself. That’s what you’re saying?

Absolutely. How can someone advance the American ideal or the American agenda when they actually don’t believe it in their heart of hearts, because of the indoctrination of CRT, DEI, and wokeism?

How does that relate to the importance of this information and political warfare operations for the Chinese Communist Party?

The Chinese Communist Party prioritizes and values what are called wolf warrior diplomats in a very aggressive information warfare campaign to not just tell their side of the story. There’s a difference between someone telling their side of the story and just plain lying. There’s always going to be a debate, viewpoints on why something happened. And that’s why it’s important for someone to be able to tell their side of the story.

That’s different from what the Chinese are doing. They are absolutely advancing a relentless onslaught of information warfare through their media, through their wolf warriors, to advance a Chinese communist message that drowns out everything else. There is no intellectual honesty in their viewpoint. They are never wrong.

But you can just look at what’s going on on the home front inside China. It’s a totalitarian system. There are no freedoms. The Chinese Communist Party is dominant, and everybody else is essentially an automaton to carry out the guidance, the roles, the missions, and the agenda of the Chinese Communist Party.

There is a massive human rights issue with the Uyghurs, Falun Gong, Christians, and forced organ harvesting. You have a massive issue with youth unemployment inside China, and food issues inside China. They have depended on the US for food imports and energy. So there are a lot of issues causing severe societal stress inside China. And what totalitarians do when they’re under pressure at home, as history shows, is predictable; they strike outward.

What is the Chinese political warfare strategy right now?

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